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    Standard Member j-bomb
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    example: people, why not just peeple? lol. this should make for some fun conversations. :)


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    You might hate it even more if you had to spell everything phonetically..

    'pee-puhl

     

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    you could eliminate the letter c, since it will sould like either s or k


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    M57 wrote:

    You might hate it even more if you had to spell everything phonetically..

    'pee-puhl

     


    even phonetically isn't spelled the way it sounds...

     


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    another interesting thing, if it ever is decided to spell all words phonetically, you would first need to agree on how a word would be pronounced. (which is why it will never happen)

    Is water pronounced what-er, or wood-er, or wuht-er or something else

    Is towel pronounced tail or taw-uhl, or something else, etc

    Edited Sat 23rd Jun 13:07 [history]

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    we don't really need an 'x' either, you could just use a ks. "eksample" "foks" "ekstra"


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    or a 'q', the 'qu' could change to 'kw.' "kween" "kwickly" "akwa"


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    I read about a non-native speaker who got a kick out of the word "snowplow" and how it demonstrated the arbitrariness of the English language.


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    At present, I would like to present you this present. It is two deer that were too close to my dear and had to be taken care of.

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    interesting to me is the using of the letters y and w in english.
    example: Y - is it not the same as J or I?
    and why is W? why not simple V?
    why there are some doube letters ... eg Bobby - why is bb... (just for explanation in our country we speak as we write, write as we speak...) so here Bobby would be simple Bobi (B instead of BB and I instead of Y, we don't have y)
    yellow - that would be "Jelov" (so in this case Y is here J, double LL is one L and W is V)

    I know this sound silly :)


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    Vidoviti Milan wrote:


    why there are some doube letters ... eg Bobby - why is bb... (just for explanation in our country we speak as we write, write as we speak...) so here Bobby would be simple Bobi (B instead of BB..

     

    It's not a hard and fast rule, but generally speaking, double letters (or any consecutive consonants) in the middle of a word indicate that the sound of the vowel preceding them is "soft."  I.e., it actually helps the reader to correctly pronounce the word.

    Take the words Later and Latter.  Because there is one "t" in later, the "A" is pronounced "long" ..as in the words Wait and Rate.  Because latter has two "T"'s, the "A" is pronounce "soft" as in Rat and Fat.

    Again, this is a general rule and there are of course exceptions.  It's the exceptions that are frustrating.

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    Edited Tue 26th Jun 10:39 [history]

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    Vidoviti Milan wrote:

     Y - is it not the same as J or I?

    The primary pronunciations for these letter are all completely different.  Maybe I don't understand your question.

    and why is W? why not simple V?

    Again, W is an entirely different sound than V.

    V is a fricative - pronounced similarly to an F.  The mouth is mostly closed, with the upper teeth barely touching the lower lip. The difference between a V and an F is the way the air is pushed through the lips.

    I can't remember the technical word for how W is pronounced, but it's primary sound is like an OO starting with a voiced "kiss".  V and W are two entirely different letters that to my knowledge never sound similar.

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    not easy to explain, of course, because each language has a different voices. how to explain y... hmm I do not know, here yoyo sound like jojo ... ytong like itong (i-tong)

    wood = vud (oo sounds like the long u) perhaps i could even more complicate things, because I'm not a linguist who is able to explain. :)


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    I found this on internet about english language... that's why we wouldn't write words the same way as original english-borned speaker write.


    "English alphabet has 26 letters, and the language has 45 voices and therefore is a big difference between writing and pronunciation. Many voices are written with more letters or the same letters are pronounced differently.

    For us, each letter represents one voice.
    In our alphabet we have 30 letters - so also 30 voices."

    for example surname Vidich - here is ch replaced with ć

    In german (Czech Republic) is written like
    Tschechische Republik

    so here they use first four letters (Tsch) what is in our language replaced with only one letter: č

    (I don't want to bother with this, ć sounds soft, and č hard)


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    I forgot to say, I think that the English language is actually very easy to learn, and it sounds much easier than let say French or German. Somehow "fits easily into the ear." No matter that some letters "we hear different" is actually a simple way to adapt to the English pronunciation. I actually can speak English just like an Englishman, without sounding like a Russian accent.


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    Vidoviti Milan wrote:

    I found this on internet about english language... that's why we wouldn't write words the same way as original english-borned speaker write.


    "English alphabet has 26 letters, and the language has 45 voices and therefore is a big difference between writing and pronunciation. Many voices are written with more letters or the same letters are pronounced differently.

    For us, each letter represents one voice.
    In our alphabet we have 30 letters - so also 30 voices."

    for example surname Vidich - here is ch replaced with ć

    In german (Czech Republic) is written like
    Tschechische Republik

    so here they use first four letters (Tsch) what is in our language replaced with only one letter: č

    (I don't want to bother with this, ć sounds soft, and č hard)

    Coming from a Hungarian family I can tell you it's similar to your language, Vidoviti, in that each letter is pronounced only ONE way.  Of course, there are also 44 different letters in the alphabet to remember but that's not a bad tradeoff :)

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    differant? i don't know why but i always forget how to spell it!


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    squint knome,

    you could eliminate the letter c, since it will sound like either s or k.

     

     

     are you joking?  how would you spell cheater,  ( kheater). i guess it could work. :)

    Edited Wed 16th Jan 03:26 [history]

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    yeah, there are lots of things you could change to make things easier:

    c = s or K,   circus = sirkus

    giraffe = jiraffe (replace the soft g with j)

    q = kw, squintgnome = skwintnome

    x = ks, tax = taks

    basically, you could spell everything phonetically, i have though about this before, the interesting thing is how would you decide to phonetically spell a word that is pronounced differently in various parts of the country, do you spell water, wohter or wooder, stuff like that, fun to think about


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    Don't forget all the homonyms, e.g. raise and raze or so and sew, that would be impossible to distinguish if all words were spelled phonetically.


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