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Tue 24th Jan 2012 21:09 #1 / 23Two Eyes for An Eye, The Jaw for A Tooth
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Wed 25th Jan 2012 16:25 #2 / 23Two Eyes for An Eye, The Jaw for A Tooth
Yes, I know that but I find it unfair. So I wwish to get some support in order to have this rule changed (for future tournaments who will end with a complete tie).
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Wed 25th Jan 2012 17:39 #3 / 23
Can you get a third of a trophy somehow?
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Wed 25th Jan 2012 17:45 #4 / 23
It should be possible to play WG boards in real-time ..without the wait, regardless of how many are playing.
I wonder if this is a case where SODODOS would work? This is a tie-tie-tie breaker that I suggested a while back when the system was last tweaked.
Off hand -- Five Rocket Cars should Get the trophy because (s)he played Wonder Woman twice. WW has the best record and the toughest opponents of the non-winners).
https://sites.google.com/site/m57sengine/homeEdited Wed 25th Jan 17:47 [history]
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Thu 26th Jan 2012 03:58 #5 / 23
Two Eyes for An Eye, The Jaw for A Tooth
M57 wrote:
I wonder if this is a case where SODODOS would work? This is a tie-tie-tie breaker that I suggested a while back when the system was last tweaked.
Off hand -- Five Rocket Cars should Get the trophy because (s)he played Wonder Woman twice. WW has the best record and the toughest opponents of the non-winners).
Any kind of tie-tie-tie breaker would be nicer than giving no trophy at all. At worse victory could be by rolling dice.
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Thu 26th Jan 2012 11:48 #6 / 23
As another option for a tie-tie-tie breaker, it could be given to the player with the lowest ranking on the board, they probably deserve it the most. Of course this still leaves the (increasingly infinitesimal) possibility of a tie.
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Thu 26th Jan 2012 14:07 #7 / 23
e^ix=cos x + i*sin x. Tell your friends.
M, it was round robin, so each winner played WW exactly once and won. All three performances are indistinguishable from a win/loss/matchup perspective. They each beat every non-winner, and amongst themselves had the circular, perfectly symmetric A beat B beat C beat A situation. Winning and deserving to win a tiebreak are based on asymmetries in matchups or performance, and there aren't any. This is as pure a tie as you can get unless you go down the Oz road of handicapping based on board ranking outside of the tournament. SODODOS won't break it because it is a w/l/matchup stat. (They beat all the non-winners, so the SODODOS contribution from that group is the same, and then it is the same contribution from each winner!)
I like the idea of handicapping tournaments - it works for golf after all! But it seems like it would have to be restricted to established popular boards for it to make sense.
Three trophies is fine with me. Do we even know what will happen? The tournament hasn't even ended.
Edited Thu 26th Jan 14:12 [history]
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Thu 26th Jan 2012 14:14 #8 / 23
e^ix=cos x + i*sin x. Tell your friends.
Rolling for the win would be unsatisfactory to me from a competitive purity standpoint. But, if I were a hardcore gambler, I'd love this idea!
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Thu 26th Jan 2012 15:03 #9 / 23
It should be possible to play WG boards in real-time ..without the wait, regardless of how many are playing.
Hugh wrote:
M, it was round robin, so each winner played WW exactly once and won.
Oh, you're right -- Hmm.. the game against WW show up twice when you go to the page of FRC's games.
https://sites.google.com/site/m57sengine/home
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Thu 26th Jan 2012 17:19 #10 / 23
Two Eyes for An Eye, The Jaw for A Tooth
Hugh wrote:
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Three trophies is fine with me. Do we even know what will happen? The tournament hasn't even ended.
Indeed, I am not sure what will happen although I am afraid no trophy will be given at all.It has be discussed in the past : http://www.wargear.net/forum/showthread/1392p2/Solution_for_Tournament_Tiebreaker_Method
The only case of a true tie before the above mentioned tournament was given to fiveRocketCars as it was finished before the new rules were implemented : http://www.wargear.net/tournaments/view/366.
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Sun 29th Jan 2012 00:27 #11 / 23
Two Eyes for An Eye, The Jaw for A Tooth
M57 wrote:
Hugh wrote:
M, it was round robin, so each winner played WW exactly once and won.
Oh, you're right -- Hmm.. the game against WW show up twice when you go to the page of FRC's games.
This is a bug. The game was actually played twice, it's not only a problem of showing up twice like it happens sometimes.
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Wed 1st Feb 2012 05:17 #12 / 23
Two Eyes for An Eye, The Jaw for A Tooth
Well, the tournament is finished now. The trophy was given to 5RC. Why ?
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Wed 1st Feb 2012 16:31 #13 / 23
Looks like a bug - this has been fixed.
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Mon 20th Feb 2012 12:07 #14 / 23
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Mon 20th Feb 2012 14:06 #15 / 23
"If an incompetent chieftain is removed, seldom do we appoint his highest-ranking subordinate to his place" - Attila the Hun
Is there really a necessity for frugality here? Let each winner get their virtual trophy, I say!
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Tue 21st Feb 2012 01:09 #16 / 23
I'm a man.
the squeeky wheel usually gets the grease.
But I can change,
if I have to,
I guess...
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Tue 21st Feb 2012 04:48 #17 / 23
I don't mind changing it to all tied players get a trophy if that is the consensus.
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Thu 23rd Feb 2012 12:08 #18 / 23
AttilaTheHun wrote:
Is there really a necessity for frugality here? Let each winner get their virtual trophy, I say!
You really want to cheapen the trophies that I hav yet to win??
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Fri 24th Feb 2012 13:00 #19 / 23
e^ix=cos x + i*sin x. Tell your friends.
The fun thing to do would be to have the results column say "Loser" for all players whenever there is a tie. Gotta preserve the "World Domination or bust" attitude of the site!
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Mon 27th Feb 2012 04:48 #20 / 23
Mad Bomber wrote:
i have a problem with this.....I actually won two tournaments using the old swiss sytem, yet recieved no trophy. in this tournament no one is the clear winner yet three trophies are to be handed out?
Which two? I can fix that.
