itsnotatumor wrote:

I'm starting to get used to Native player now, but I'm wondering though why the graphics don't seem as good.

The reason for the different appearance of the graphics is because Flash uses flood fills to fill the graphical elements whereas the Native player uses SVG which is a vector approximation of the flood fill. As it's using straight line elements to approximate the fill pattern it's not exactly the same as a flood fill.

Ultimately Designers can update their designs to fix the difference in fills but it's unfortunately going to be a little trial and error based as ultimately the Designer is Flash based so it won't accurately represent the appearance in the Native player. I suppose the only way to fix this is to move to a Native Designer!

tom wrote:

 I suppose the only way to fix this is to move to a Native Designer!

Yikes!  It does make sense though. If designers are ultimately responsible for the look of a board, then the 'designer' needs to be completely WYSIWYG down to the pixel.

tom wrote:

I suppose the only way to fix this is to move to a Native Designer!

Is that going to truly fix the "issue"? It sounds like it would only show the issue at a slightly earlier stage (in the Designer rather than the Game Player), with the main issue being how the Native version does not honor down to the pixel precision.  Is there a true fix for that?  If not then would it still be a lot of trial and error to find the right balance between what works and what doesn't for the Fill?

I think the only real fix to a vector display is to make vector images. Likelihood of finding a perfect translation is pretty small. 

Does that mean uploading board images as .SVG files?  Will the board editor handle those?

I doubt the editor handles .SVG, and would it even help if you were still creating in a  non-vector editor?

IMO - the easiest  fix is to use dual layer boards.  Make your borders on the board layer thicker than the borders on the fill layer, and it won't matter whether the fill is off by a pixel or two, because the thicker border on the board layer will cover it either way.

Ozyman wrote:

IMO - the easiest  fix is to use dual layer boards.  Make your borders on the board layer thicker than the borders on the fill layer, and it won't matter whether the fill is off by a pixel or two, because the thicker border on the board layer will cover it either way.

I worry there may be more than just this, for example the My Kingdom board is Dual Layer with a few pixels between territories and it still gets thrown off in the Native Player with wrong player colors getting filled on wrong territories.

But if the designer is native, you should at least be able to use the 'test fill" feature to make sure things look right and are functional, right?

i would think that's true M57, and that while it's not perfect, it's at least something that can work

Yertle wrote:

Ozyman wrote:

IMO - the easiest  fix is to use dual layer boards.  Make your borders on the board layer thicker than the borders on the fill layer, and it won't matter whether the fill is off by a pixel or two, because the thicker border on the board layer will cover it either way.

I worry there may be more than just this, for example the My Kingdom board is Dual Layer with a few pixels between territories and it still gets thrown off in the Native Player with wrong player colors getting filled on wrong territories.

It's been my experience that fill layer images that have complete lines on them tend to fill correctly.  Where as when your 1 pixel thick border has two pixels that are diagonal to one another (still touching for a flood fill) then the native player fills other stuff, not just your intended territory.

It's a bit of a PITA, but forces us to pay attention to our boards.

ratsy wrote:

It's been my experience that fill layer images that have complete lines on them tend to fill correctly.  Where as when your 1 pixel thick border has two pixels that are diagonal to one another (still touching for a flood fill) then the native player fills other stuff, not just your intended territory.

It's a bit of a PITA, but forces us to pay attention to our boards.

My Kingdom has at least 7 pixels between the Fill Territories.  The territories between the territories for the Fillmap is nothing (no color), I wonder if that would make a difference...

hmm... Not sure how it handles transparent...

Yertle wrote:

Ozyman wrote:

IMO - the easiest  fix is to use dual layer boards.  Make your borders on the board layer thicker than the borders on the fill layer, and it won't matter whether the fill is off by a pixel or two, because the thicker border on the board layer will cover it either way.

I worry there may be more than just this, for example the My Kingdom board is Dual Layer with a few pixels between territories and it still gets thrown off in the Native Player with wrong player colors getting filled on wrong territories.

Can you post a screenshot showing this? I've checked that board a few times and can't identify a problem.

ratsy wrote:

Yertle wrote:

Ozyman wrote:

IMO - the easiest  fix is to use dual layer boards.  Make your borders on the board layer thicker than the borders on the fill layer, and it won't matter whether the fill is off by a pixel or two, because the thicker border on the board layer will cover it either way.

I worry there may be more than just this, for example the My Kingdom board is Dual Layer with a few pixels between territories and it still gets thrown off in the Native Player with wrong player colors getting filled on wrong territories.

It's been my experience that fill layer images that have complete lines on them tend to fill correctly.  Where as when your 1 pixel thick border has two pixels that are diagonal to one another (still touching for a flood fill) then the native player fills other stuff, not just your intended territory.

It's a bit of a PITA, but forces us to pay attention to our boards.

This would make sense. It should be possible to create a dev board image which demonstrates the problem.

tom wrote:

Yertle wrote:

Ozyman wrote:

IMO - the easiest  fix is to use dual layer boards.  Make your borders on the board layer thicker than the borders on the fill layer, and it won't matter whether the fill is off by a pixel or two, because the thicker border on the board layer will cover it either way.

I worry there may be more than just this, for example the My Kingdom board is Dual Layer with a few pixels between territories and it still gets thrown off in the Native Player with wrong player colors getting filled on wrong territories.

Can you post a screenshot showing this? I've checked that board a few times and can't identify a problem.

Screenshots of the game or a copy of the Fillmap? I sent some screenshots via email on May 6, did you receive those?  They were taken from here: http://www.wargear.net/games/player/362464 / http://www.wargear.net/games/player/362464?player=flash

Oops - just found your email in a spam folder. Replied 

tom wrote:

Oops - just found your email in a spam folder. Replied 

I replied back...may check the spam folder 

The Color difference between the players is quite significant.

http://www.wargear.net/games/player/369267

http://www.wargear.net/games/player/369267?player=flash

The look on the Native player is closer to what I uploaded. It almost looks as if the flash player fuses/burns the board image with the fog image. Because the Designer is Flash (right?), I'm always working with the 'burned' image, so it's a shock to open up a game in the Native and see the softer colors. 

Waterloo is another board that looks astonishingly different in the players - looking MUCH better in the Native.

Under the old system, if you were on a mobile (iOS) device both buttons would launch the Native Player.  Under the new system if you are on a mobile device and hit the red button it now launches the Flash Player, or at least attempts to - and prompts you to install Flash.  A combination of my fat fingers and my habitual pressing of the red button makes this happen pretty often.

Would it be possible to make both buttons launch the Native Player on a iOS like it did before?

Thanks 

SunTzu:

I know that you can set which launcher the green button opens in your settings. 

I think the setting is called default player.