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Minor possible modification:

Here: http://wgchampion.x10host.com/players/Pratik , it lists me to have 9 tournament wins in the countable period. But actually, out of the 9, there are 2 where I was tied for the highest number of wins, but lost on h2h. Another 1 had a overall tie.

Don't know how easy or how tough it would be to change that. 

Pratik wrote:

Minor possible modification:

 

Here: http://wgchampion.x10host.com/players/Pratik , it lists me to have 9 tournament wins in the countable period. But actually, out of the 9, there are 2 where I was tied for the highest number of wins, but lost on h2h. Another 1 had a overall tie.

Don't know how easy or how tough it would be to change that. 

In the players page the wins are not mentioned, only the place, just like in WarGear, you'll see losers with place '1='. Actually I retrieve precisely those strings and remove the trailing '='.

But the script also retrieves the Status to see if the player won, tied or lost. You see that sum for each player in the leaderboard. You have 7.5 wins which are a result of 7 wins and 1 tie (ties count 0.5 wins). The winning player earns a bonus of 100 points, while a tied player earns a fraction of that bonus which is divided equally among all tied players. If you check the players that won the tournaments you lost, you'll see they earned 100 more points than you.

Speaking of bonus, I was thinking of giving a higher bonus to the winner of WTF. Does 400 sound like a good number?

Also, I've mentioned before but no one replied: Quantum Entanglement (Doppelganger for 2) in Total Fog is probably what I'm going to choose for WTF as it's neither too simple nor too complex and does not suffer from first mover advantage.  I'm open to suggestions, though.

redshift wrote:

In the players page the wins are not mentioned, only the place, just like in WarGear, you'll see losers with place '1='. Actually I retrieve precisely those strings and remove the trailing '='.

But the script also retrieves the Status to see if the player won, tied or lost. You see that sum for each player in the leaderboard. You have 7.5 wins which are a result of 7 wins and 1 tie (ties count 0.5 wins).

Fair enough.

Just to clarify, the numbers difference between your post and mine was because of an extra tournament win added after my post.

redshift wrote:

 The winning player earns a bonus of 100 points, while a tied player earns a fraction of that bonus which is divided equally among all tied players. If you check the players that won the tournaments you lost, you'll see they earned 100 more points than you.

On another note, I think we may need to think about the 100 winning bonus again. It may need to be higher. Some of the points that I've got don't make much sense to me.

So, here: http://wgchampion.x10host.com/players/Pratik

My 7-0 bowling tournament win (with sirdakka) gives me less points than my 5-2 ob1010 v2 tournament loss!

redshift wrote:

Speaking of bonus, I was thinking of giving a higher bonus to the winner of WTF. Does 400 sound like a good number?

Also, I've mentioned before but no one replied: Quantum Entanglement (Doppelganger for 2) in Total Fog is probably what I'm going to choose for WTF as it's neither too simple nor too complex and does not suffer from first mover advantage.  I'm open to suggestions, though.

IMO, the WTF winner bonus should be less than a regular tournament win bonus.

Of, course the board and the scenario matters a lot. And that would favour some players more than others. There is no perfect neutral board. Each player has their own strong boards and scenarios.

If you take a few examples from the current top 10, on BoB Babba would be the favourite to win. On Five, that would be me. On Knights tour, Litotes. On Iwo Jima, sirdakka. On Reef/7R, Chele. Snake Eyes' chances of winning would significantly increase if the board were Ants, while Superman's chances would significantly increase if the board were Kensington.

And on top of that, you add scenario. For example, my chances of winning will dramatically reduce on total fog (less than 1% of all the games I've played are on total fog. I just don't like it).

Since there is nothing neutral, any choice will skew the likelihoods in some direction. Don't think it is worth awarding extra points because of that.

I agree choosing a board and conditions for the WTF is a challenge. Personally I'm fine with Quantum in total fog, but everyone else might not be.

Too simple and too complex is also down to strengths and weaknesses. For me the GoGeared board is easy and straightforward to play and BoB an impenetrable maze, while Babba likely feels the exact opposite.

One alternative might be to look at games played by the ten qualifiers, when we get that far, and choose something neither has excelled in.

Pratik wrote:

On another note, I think we may need to think about the 100 winning bonus again. It may need to be higher. Some of the points that I've got don't make much sense to me.

So, here: http://wgchampion.x10host.com/players/Pratik

My 7-0 bowling tournament win (with sirdakka) gives me less points than my 5-2 ob1010 v2 tournament loss!

The formula is GS_avg/10 + 10R (+100 for winner),  so 0b1010 tournament must have had players with higher Global Scores on average. I think it makes sense to give more points to tournaments with stronger fields (in theory at least).

Do you think I should give points based on the tournament W-L as well?

The bonus value could maybe be a bit higher like 150, would bring it from around 15% to 20% of the total points.

Regarding WTF points, maybe the system can be 125 points per win + 200 bonus to the winner.

On WTF board:

You guys are giving examples that are fairly specialisation prone. Quantum Entanglement (Dopp for 2) is basically Wargear Warfare with an added feature. Total Fog is essential on this board to distinguish those who are using all the information the board provides and those who are not.

By announcing the board in advance, which I will, players can practice on it.

redshift wrote:

Pratik wrote:

On another note, I think we may need to think about the 100 winning bonus again. It may need to be higher. Some of the points that I've got don't make much sense to me.

So, here: http://wgchampion.x10host.com/players/Pratik

My 7-0 bowling tournament win (with sirdakka) gives me less points than my 5-2 ob1010 v2 tournament loss!

The formula is GS_avg/10 + 10R (+100 for winner),  so 0b1010 tournament must have had players with higher Global Scores on average. I think it makes sense to give more points to tournaments with stronger fields (in theory at least).

Do you think I should give points based on the tournament W-L as well?

The bonus value could maybe be a bit higher like 150, would bring it from around 15% to 20% of the total points.

Regarding WTF points, maybe the system can be 125 points per win + 200 bonus to the winner.

I agree a tourney with a stronger playing field should probably be worth more.

The bonus  should be purely that a bonus not the main chunk of points.

Redshift, question, could the win bonus instead of being arbitrary just also be a percent of the points awarded for placement such as  the 15% or 20% as you mentioned above?

Also could one of the admins STICKY this thread given all the work Redshift has put into this and I think it is a major additional resource to the site

Johasi Vidad wrote:

So Redshift if I read right the main season would ten months from the start of the first eligible tourney listed then followed by the WTF Tourney?

Yeah, it was going to be that way, mainly because back then I was thinking of having a break between seasons but that has the problem of tournaments finishing inside that gap not being counted.

Seeing that there's still many players without enough tournaments, I will extend the regular season for either 1 or 2 more months, that is, May 16 or June 16. Tell me which one you guys prefer.

World Tour Finals will still be after the end of the regular season but will be going on at the same time season 2 is already under way.

Johasi Vidad wrote:

redshift wrote:

Pratik wrote:

On another note, I think we may need to think about the 100 winning bonus again. It may need to be higher. Some of the points that I've got don't make much sense to me.

So, here: http://wgchampion.x10host.com/players/Pratik

My 7-0 bowling tournament win (with sirdakka) gives me less points than my 5-2 ob1010 v2 tournament loss!

The formula is GS_avg/10 + 10R (+100 for winner),  so 0b1010 tournament must have had players with higher Global Scores on average. I think it makes sense to give more points to tournaments with stronger fields (in theory at least).

Do you think I should give points based on the tournament W-L as well?

The bonus value could maybe be a bit higher like 150, would bring it from around 15% to 20% of the total points.

Regarding WTF points, maybe the system can be 125 points per win + 200 bonus to the winner.

I agree a tourney with a stronger playing field should probably be worth more.

The bonus  should be purely that a bonus not the main chunk of points.

Redshift, question, could the win bonus instead of being arbitrary just also be a percent of the points awarded for placement such as  the 15% or 20% as you mentioned above?

 I like your idea on the bonus. Will implement changes for season 2 but will leave things as is for this one. WTF is still up for debate though, do you guys agree with that point system?

I vote June 16th

June it is and WTF will be played on QE (Dopp for 2). Check the site for more information.

June sounds good to me. 

redshift wrote:

Pratik wrote:

On another note, I think we may need to think about the 100 winning bonus again. It may need to be higher. Some of the points that I've got don't make much sense to me.

So, here: http://wgchampion.x10host.com/players/Pratik

My 7-0 bowling tournament win (with sirdakka) gives me less points than my 5-2 ob1010 v2 tournament loss!

The formula is GS_avg/10 + 10R (+100 for winner),  so 0b1010 tournament must have had players with higher Global Scores on average. I think it makes sense to give more points to tournaments with stronger fields (in theory at least).

Do you think I should give points based on the tournament W-L as well?

The bonus value could maybe be a bit higher like 150, would bring it from around 15% to 20% of the total points.

Regarding WTF points, maybe the system can be 125 points per win + 200 bonus to the winner.

 

On WTF board:

You guys are giving examples that are fairly specialisation prone. Quantum Entanglement (Dopp for 2) is basically Wargear Warfare with an added feature. Total Fog is essential on this board to distinguish those who are using all the information the board provides and those who are not.

By announcing the board in advance, which I will, players can practice on it.

Coming back to this quite late. Yes, a tournament with a stronger field should be worth more, of course. But, at the same time, for a given field strength, winning a 8 man RR 5-2 should definitely be worse than winning it 7-0.

I'm withdrawing from the WTF.

I don't want to play 9 matches on a board that I dislike with a fog setting that I dislike.

Pratik wrote:

I'm withdrawing from the WTF.

I don't want to play 9 matches on a board that I dislike with a fog setting that I dislike.

I was forgetting to add the info about the fog level. You should try it, that scenario fits total fog like a glove.

redshift wrote:

Table layout is now identical to WarGear.

 

Just remembered that only tournaments with 2 and 3 day turn limits should be eligible. 7 day is self-explanatory and I've seen turn skipping happening rather often with 1 day limit, specially team games.

Just going back to this. To maybe consider for season two.

I understand leaving out 7's as they're unlikely to finish in one season and are very few and far between. 

But the 1 days I don't get. I used to play a lot of these, but not very many any more.

I wouldn't have seen often turn skipping as a factor to leave them out of the count and would have been bummed they didn't count.

And kinda would like an explanation of why that's a valid reason to consider leaving them out?

It also slightly discourages their creation given they wouldn't count here and the players that play more 1 days will not have any vested interest in the Championship.

I'd like one-day tournaments counted too. 

Johasi Vidad wrote:

redshift wrote:

Table layout is now identical to WarGear.

 

Just remembered that only tournaments with 2 and 3 day turn limits should be eligible. 7 day is self-explanatory and I've seen turn skipping happening rather often with 1 day limit, specially team games.

Just going back to this. To maybe consider for season two.

I understand leaving out 7's as they're unlikely to finish in one season and are very few and far between. 

 

But the 1 days I don't get. I used to play a lot of these, but not very many any more.

I wouldn't have seen often turn skipping as a factor to leave them out of the count and would have been bummed they didn't count.

And kinda would like an explanation of why that's a valid reason to consider leaving them out?

It also slightly discourages their creation given they wouldn't count here and the players that play more 1 days will not have any vested interest in the Championship.

If you read the rules on the site you'll see 1 day is allowed for 1v1. You used to play 1 day team tournaments? I think that leads to rushed turns with little time for the team to discuss the turn.

I would actually be happy if I contributed to discourage those tournaments.

I've already mentioned what I would like changed for season 2. Some of the stuff I mentioned outside WG. Main 3:

- W/L should matter. For a given field, 5-2 is worth a lot less than 7-0.

- Only tournament end date should count. Ending should be within the season. If both start and end need to be in the period, then many tournaments won't count. I believe 4 of my tournament wins came after the season started and were not counted. That kind of defeats the whole purpose of the championship.

-WTF should count less.

Pratik wrote:

I've already mentioned what I would like changed for season 2. Some of the stuff I mentioned outside WG. Main 3:

- W/L should matter. For a given field, 5-2 is worth a lot less than 7-0.

- Only tournament end date should count. Ending should be within the season. If both start and end need to be in the period, then many tournaments won't count. I believe 4 of my tournament wins came after the season started and were not counted. That kind of defeats the whole purpose of the championship.

-WTF should count less.

1. I might introduce that in the formula, yes.

2. It will be like that from S2 on. S2 will start right after the end of S1's regular season.

3. I disagree.